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  KS10 Chapter Three

  by yknot in

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  chapter three from 'shepherding the flock of go' published by the wts of penn/ny as part of their worldwide bible educational work.

  the wts is a non-profit whose publications are not for sale but are freely given to those who show 'genuine' interest..... while not required, a donation is always joyfully accepted .

  well i was going to stick to the boe ltr for a 'pre-view' but somebody deleted my sendspace links.

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  MLE - just reading your post comparing the WTS to a prison gang. I never thought of it quite like that but your description is dead on. You know, I always think of the mafia or gangs in general of being at least cult-like. Maybe not a religious cult, but a cult nonetheless.

  It's this sort of conduct that screams CULT to most and the level of control in the WT Talmud would make the Pharisees of Jesus day a bit jealous.

  Honestly, sometimes I feel like going to Bethel with a bullhorn and reading Matt 23 and substituting the word GB for the word Pharisees.
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  started a firestorm on facebook

  by mimimimi in

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  last friday i posted something supportive of gays on facebook - it was as follows: put this on your status if you know or love someone who is gay.

  my wish is that people will understand that being gay is not a disease nor a choice- people who are gay are not looking for a cure but acceptance and equal rights... 93% won't copy and paste this.

  will you make it your ...status for at least one hour?

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  Scully - that's interesting. This particular CO went out of his way to tell people that acting on gay impluses was no greater of a sin than acting on hetro impluses. He used to live in an area with a large gay community and I wonder if that influenced his reasonability on the subject.
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  started a firestorm on facebook

  by mimimimi in

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  last friday i posted something supportive of gays on facebook - it was as follows: put this on your status if you know or love someone who is gay.

  my wish is that people will understand that being gay is not a disease nor a choice- people who are gay are not looking for a cure but acceptance and equal rights... 93% won't copy and paste this.

  will you make it your ...status for at least one hour?

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  Doubting Bro

  I had a CO once ask me whether I thought being attracted to the same sex was a choice or something you were born with. And, no he wasn't hitting on me, it came up in conversation somehow. I told him I wasn't sure but it seemed that some people were born with that inclination. He actually agreed and told me the WTS agreed as well? I've never seen a reference but this CO wasn't a young man and you would think if anyone would be saying it was a choice it would be him.

  Of course, he said that those folks had to sacrifice alot to be a JW and that Jehovah would "fix" them in the new system. He said it was acting on the impulse that was bad, not having it. He also compared it with an unmarried straight person. Acting on the impluse outside of marriage was wrong (in his eyes) whether it was gay or straight.

  Actually, I was impressed with his openness for a 70 y/o CO.
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  Another Bro Fading

  by FadeToGrey in

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  hi all.. my story.

  it's been a while coming.. i have been lurking around here for 10 months or so.. reading just about everyday.

  thank steve jobs for the iphone.. i haven't worked out how to post from the iphone.

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  Doubting Bro

  g'day mate! Sorry, I'm sure that's an Americanize version of how an Aussi would say hi friend.

  Welcome and look forward to hearing more from you. It's great you got out with your wife, many are not that lucky.
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  KS10 Chapter Three

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chapter three from 'shepherding the flock of go' published by the wts of penn/ny as part of their worldwide bible educational work.

  the wts is a non-profit whose publications are not for sale but are freely given to those who show 'genuine' interest..... while not required, a donation is always joyfully accepted .

  well i was going to stick to the boe ltr for a 'pre-view' but somebody deleted my sendspace links.

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  I honestly don't think they can understand why anyone would want to resign. After all, holy spirit appointed you, right? So, it's really a sin to resist the calling. Remember, the folks writing these things don't live in the real world, don't have real jobs and aren't really worried about keeping the lights on. They don't have kids to worry about and they're located in congregations that are sometimes made up of 75% of others just like them.

  The COs have a bit more perspective and the ones I would consider good can empathize with the rank and file. But, IMHO, they are few and far between.

  MLE - I totally agree with you. If I had only known!!
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  KS10 Chapter Three

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chapter three from 'shepherding the flock of go' published by the wts of penn/ny as part of their worldwide bible educational work.

  the wts is a non-profit whose publications are not for sale but are freely given to those who show 'genuine' interest..... while not required, a donation is always joyfully accepted .

  well i was going to stick to the boe ltr for a 'pre-view' but somebody deleted my sendspace links.

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  EE - I agree and I recall when I resigned the COBOE told me, "you can't just quit" to which I said, "is this the mob?" and laughed. They refused my resignation for a few weeks and had numerous meetings with me. But, I calmly told them I needed to take care of my family, cited a few scriptures that proved my family was to be my main concern and they relented. They offered me the light duty option mentioned in 3:25 and I did have to write a letter which was forwarded and I'm sure is on permanent file with the WTS (hi again guys! my letter was pretty boring and I'm sure you just skimmed it).

  No change in procedure that I can see but I agree they try to make it difficult to just quit.
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  KS10 Chapter Three

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chapter three from 'shepherding the flock of go' published by the wts of penn/ny as part of their worldwide bible educational work.

  the wts is a non-profit whose publications are not for sale but are freely given to those who show 'genuine' interest..... while not required, a donation is always joyfully accepted .

  well i was going to stick to the boe ltr for a 'pre-view' but somebody deleted my sendspace links.

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  Ok, this is much better reading. So, one of the things that may get you removed is declaring bankruptcy. I love this one - "did the brother lack self-control in his spending or fail to use reasonable foresight in his business decisions"

  I thought this was a spiritual position, what does being a good businessman have to do with it? Is it me or does this seem weird? I guess I missed that particular qualification in Titus and Timothy.

  MLE - LOL!
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  KS10 Chapter Three

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  chapter three from 'shepherding the flock of go' published by the wts of penn/ny as part of their worldwide bible educational work.

  the wts is a non-profit whose publications are not for sale but are freely given to those who show 'genuine' interest..... while not required, a donation is always joyfully accepted .

  well i was going to stick to the boe ltr for a 'pre-view' but somebody deleted my sendspace links.

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  ynot - thanks so much. I know you know how important it is to allow these documents to see the light of day. You're doing good work girl, keep it up.

  To the Bethel monitor - how's it going? I'll bet you guys are really upset that a sister is the one who is "brazeningly" (is that even a word) posting this stuff. It's your own guys that are selling you out. I guess this is why you guys despise your elders so much. Maybe if you didn't treat folks so badly, they'd keep your confidential stuff confidential. You kick a dog too many times, don't be surprised when they bite you.

  EE - easy bro, I know exactly what you're talking about. But, I promise, it can get better. I do hope you take notes at your school and post them. I'll be interested in hearing your perspective.

  God, I'm glad I won't be spending 2 days being told what a worthless piece of crap I am. That was always the feeling I came away with after leaving these schools.
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  KS10- Chapter One Discussion

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  first and foremost i want to thank all the brothers (and one or two sisters) who were pdfing like mad to get these 'pre-kingdom school' chapter reviews ready (as per boe ltr these are 1,2,4-7,9 & 11)!.

  for those of you trying to see who could do the entire book i want to let you know we had a 'dark horse' enter this race and his email was so compelling he is our 'winner' in being responsible for the full book (forthwith coming in the next day or so)-- and i will reveal more about him (as per his wishes) then.. so lets not waste anymore time in reviewing chapter one of the 'shepheding the flock of god' published by the wts (a non-profit organization whose purpose of this publication like all others is provided as part of a worldwide bible educational work.

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  Doubting Bro

  Thanks ynot (and friends)!! These chapters are just the set up for the real Talmud (the old 5a,b & c from the Flock book). I just downloaded chapter 2. Chapter 1 was pretty benign but set the stage that the elders are acting on behalf of God via the WTS.
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  I HATE this religion

  by brotherdan in

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  so today was my first sunday meeting that i didn't go with my wife.

  as an update she has decided not to move out right now...because she doesn't have anywhere to go.

  but she is giving me the silent treatment.

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  Doubting Bro

  I know Dan. I can't even imagine the pain you're going through right now. But you are important. You are something even if you don't have your wife. Remember, it's not you that's making her cry. It's the WTS's crazy teachings.

  Your actions will show that you love your children, even that you still love your wife. Although the pain may feel for the moment unbearable, you will get through this. You have to get through this for the sake of your kids. They will end up better off. Be a good father (which I'm sure you are). In time, they will come to understand why you made the choices you did and they will have something that maybe you didn't, a choice whether to be a JW or not.